Spoiler: GNOME wins

Btw their GNOME Theme manager is here

        • JJLinux
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          511 months ago

          You are a smart individual, for sure. That comment alone puts you among the wisest of humans. And no, I’m not being sarcastic.

        • JJLinux
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          111 months ago

          Hey, KDE is not even part of the conversation. Just sayin’!

  • @taladar@sh.itjust.works
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    As someone who had to help coworkers with Windows, Mac and Linux problems one of the main problems of macOS is the fact that you have to use the clumsy GUI for so many things and that the Unix-like underpinnings are badly maintained and outdated so many systems have several versions of the same tool installed in various locations (OS-, Homebrew-, MacPorts- or whatever other package manager of the day versions).

  • @Anticorp@lemmy.world
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    As a regular user of both, I’m able to accomplish custom stuff faster with Linux, but Mac is pretty hands off once you get it set up. That said, it’s a garbage OS out of the box. It’s 2024 and it doesn’t even have windows snapping or back button support. You have to install and configure 3rd party tools to make it behave like something created in the last two decades. I’m pretty sure Apple doesn’t give a shit about their Mac OS anymore, since most of their money comes from iOS and store purchases/subscriptions.

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        11 months ago

        I mean gnome and kde both have it so that doesnt feel correct for why macos doesnt.

        • @milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
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          If true, presumably that gnome and kde don’t believe in the software patent but Apple doesn’t want to try its luck and risk getting in a lawsuit.

          (That said, they’re not exactly short of lawyers for a lawsuit… Maybe it’s in their interest to uphold the principle of software patents?)

  • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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    Anything is better than Mac… I hate how every time I try to push the green circle in the top left it now goes into full screen mode (if you don’t hold option every single time). Who the fuck wants full screen mode?

    That one feature is honestly enough to use anything else. It didn’t used to be this way… But Apple has been screwing up their products for over a decade now.

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      We are polar opposites; I almost never want something not in fullscreen, hah. I’ve been using a mac for work for a bit over a year now and hate it.

      • Captain Aggravated
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        1011 months ago

        Somehow I never considered that, MacOS’ stupid stoplight buttons aren’t particularly accessible, are they?

      • 0x0F
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        they change to symbols when hovering, i don’t think they have a a11y setting for them :/

          • @ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world
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            It’s a nice aesthetic choice in macos. They got rid of the icons, I always thought the order was clear. It’s like a car clutch closes the engine from the wheels, brake slows the car (minimise) and accelerator maximises.

            • @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
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              I think the windows layout makes more sense, also used on Android, ChromeOS, KDE, LXQt, XFCE, Budgie, Mate, Ubuntu GNOME, Cosmic-Epoch, …

              And still every one of them still has the symbols displayed.

        • @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
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          Yes. Pretty common among men, a trait from their mothers as it lies on the X chromosome. Most women dont have it, as they have a healthy one and it is recessive.

        • @acockworkorange@mander.xyz
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          I work with industrial human machine interfaces, used to operate heavy machinery. The prevalence of some form of colorblindness in the male population is around 15-17%, and most heavy machine operators are men.

          It’s enough of a safety issue that standards call for at least 2 ways of communicating alarms - most commonly shapes and colors, in many cases text is also used. The use of colors to indicate status (pump running, valve closed, etc) is also limited to colors with a distinct luminance value so that even people with full colorblindness can operate them easily.

          In the past, many HMIs were made in which green meant running, red stopped, yellow alarm… let’s just say a lot of people had to be maimed and killed before the standard was issued.

    • Possibly linux
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      611 months ago

      Not to mention it is the most broken and slow desktop I have ever used

    • @kalleboo@lemmy.world
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      They changed that to appeal to Windows users, people who were raised on Windows are absolutely obsessed with full screening everything for some reason

        • @Sekki@lemmy.ml
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          I think he is talking about how the default is full screen instead of maximize window. Full screen meaning the entire screen with no application and system bar visible and maximized window meaning taking the whole space but still showing the application and system bar. Anecdotally I have seen many more mac users doing stuff in a small window than windows or linux users.

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            I think I get your explanation but I rarely see people in windows using fullscreen (videos and games don’t count ofc), windowed mode is the default so I don’t get the comment

            • @OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml
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              It’s very true on a Mac. Almost every time you click the green button, it jumps to full screen and then you can’t drag another window on top of it.

              It’s a pain in the arse because my workflow is to have a reading screen with documents and emails on, and a work screen with whatever I’m actually doing. But if outlook is full screen, you can’t drag any other windows on top of it.

              Don’t know why the first guy was saying this is a Windows thing though. I only run onto it on macs.

            • @Sekki@lemmy.ml
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              I specifically said anecdotlly. Your experience and my experience a not representative of anything. Also that is only a small portion of my comment and was meant more a a sidenote.

              We were also not talking about windowed mode at all here. It was specifically about what happens when you press the green window control button, which as far as I know puts the app in fullscreen on macos and the equivalent on any other OS known to me is to maximize the window.

  • gregorum
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    Gnome’s Nautilus is a long way away from being Finder. It certainly trying very hard, and there are some things I like about Nautilus more than I like about Finder, but Finder has a lot of polish that is missing from Nautilus.

    That said, I look forward to The development of Nautilus and all of the improvements that will bring.

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      211 months ago

      Huh, i have the complete opposite reaction. Having to move to macos for work finder is probably my least favourite bit. It feelsblikebitbis deliverately trying to hide the file system and my files from me and just give me the files it thinks i want, id have nautilus or thunar installed in a heartbeat.

    • @olympicyes@lemmy.world
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      011 months ago

      The list of things you can do is a bit cherry picked too. For example, in a web browser file upload dialog, try previewing the images you want to upload. You can’t do it in Gnome. It’s been an outstanding fix request for 20+ years!

  • @fart_pickle@lemmy.world
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    I’ve been macOS user for past decade. I’ve switch to Linux a year ago and the first thing I did when I tried Gnome was to switch to KDE. I like how Gnome tries to mimic macOS but it’s still has long way ahead. Gnome was really good on a touch device but I kept hitting the wall with small quirks and eventually I switched to KDE. I know it’s unpopular opinion but I find macOS UI superior to both Gnome and KDE.

    • krimsonbun
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      1211 months ago

      everyone has their preferences, and maybe it could also have something to do with you being so used to the macOS ui that anything else feels weird or wrong in a way?

      • @Womble@lemmy.world
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        711 months ago

        Fwiw i have almost exactly the same feeling going from gnome to macos, sure its polished but it goes out of its way to make anything even slightly complicated incredibly difficult. So yeah im pretty sure its mostly familiarity.

      • @fart_pickle@lemmy.world
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        That’s true, I might be biased because I was using macOS way longer. On the other hand I’ve been using Windows even longer and I have never liked Windows UI. I guess I have some expectations on how UI should look and work and macOS just hit the sweet spot.

      • @fart_pickle@lemmy.world
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        First of all I like how all apps, even the 3rd party ones, look alike. When using a new app I don’t have to learn the new UI. Most of the things are in the same place and I can almost intuitively click trough the UI. Also macOS feels smoother - I don’t know how to describe it, it just works out of the box and I don’t need to adjust the settings. The only thing I was updating was the touchpad scroll direction. Everything else had default settings set to my preferences. I liked the animations, placement of various elements and the fact I didn’t have to look how things work. It was as easy as it was designed to be for 5 year olds.

  • @Skunk@jlai.lu
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    I solved that problem by using a tiling window manager on every OS. Configure it to use your favorite shortcuts (from i3wm in this case), put super + spacebar as the whatever launcher you like and tadaaaa!

    Everything feels more or less the same.

    I do that since I became addicted to i3wm years ago. The worst part is just remembering the keywords to type in the launcher according to what OS you’re on.

    • @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
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      I am trying to use the LXQt stack with Wayland compositors currently. Havent tried labwc, which sounds like a good candidate for the job, but all the others pull in a ton of dependencies that I actually decided to try it with Kwin now, as I like KDE Plasma and I know Kwin is solid.

      I also really like COSMIC but it has a long way to go to become plasma like. Plasma 6 is pretty nice in many things.

  • @mlg@lemmy.world
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    211 months ago

    I feel like this video exposes the restrictions of both desktop environments compared to already completed solutions like KDE, XFCE, and Compiz which can all be configured to be 1:1 with Mac or 1:1 with Windows.

    I can personally say going from windows to stock GNOME on both Ubuntu and Fedora was definitely not a nice experience at all.

  • @N0x0n@lemmy.ml
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    Both are too similar and both suck :/

    I mean, I do not want a copie of a closed sourced GUI where everything is behind some obscure hidden configuration… I often had that strange feeling of “why can’t I do that?” For simple basic things.

    GNOME and MacOS both give me the same feeling of closed DE where you’re not in control over basic functionalities :/.

    I have a Mac and GNOME on my debian desktop, I hate both, but luckily I can change my DE on linux so I would say MacOS sucks way more ^^.

    Just my 50cent.

    • @verdigris@lemmy.ml
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      GNOME settings are not obscured? And if you want more customization you can use tweaks, which, it’s true, don’t have centralized settings, but you have the power – on MacOS you’d be paying $5-10 for every tweak.

  • Adolph
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    I have a MacBook Pro and I recently tried GNOME3 for the million time. macOS wins. GNOME3 sucks.

      • @Retiring@lemmy.ml
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        Why would grandma want to do that? I have set up computers for tech illiterate people with Linux quite successfully. You just tell them: „if it wants your password, you did something wrong. Never enter your password, unless you know exactly why“ Set and forget.

        • @psud@aussie.zone
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          Watch out if they have fingerprint login. Ubuntu, at least, doesn’t unlock the user’s keyring if they log in by fingerprint, and are quickly presented with a password prompt to unlock the keyring

      • @Schorsch@feddit.de
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        I have been using Linux since 2007. I have never had to update video drivers manually.

        Sure, I don’t do gaming. But neither do most grandmothers.

      • @Railcar8095@lemm.ee
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        Steps with Bazzite:

        1. Restart the computer
        2. Not needed, 1 did it.
        3. Seriously, 1 was all it takes. If there’s an update, it installs on boot
          • @8Bitz0@discuss.tchncs.de
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            Have an update that completely breaks everything on your system? Just revert to the previous image and it’s no problem.

            These immutable distros have so much potential. Especially for the tech illiterate. I really encourage anyone who hasn’t yet to give them a shot.

            Of course they aren’t for everybody, as it makes it far harder to make system-level changes on the local system.

      • @Anticorp@lemmy.world
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        311 months ago

        I wouldn’t have to if she were using Pop!_OS. It’s completely self maintaining. Next time she turns it on it’ll install any pending updates.

      • @idefix@sh.itjust.works
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        It’s quite amazing you’ve picked that example. I just didn’t remember some people had to mess with video drivers. Last time I’ve done it was probably a decade ago, on Windows.

      • Mark Gjøl
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        @HollandJim @possiblylinux127 I had my mom running Linux. The biggest issues came from her expecting to having to install drivers and stuff when attaching a printer. " How do I make it work?" It just does. Linux issues only appeared because Windows is difficult.

      • JJLinux
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        Easy: “grandma, click update on the pop-up. Now restart. Done. What are you cooking for dinner tonight?”

      • lemmyvore
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        211 months ago

        I get your point but truth be told I never expected any family member to update their own stuff. If they want my help I take away their admin rights and do everything myself, remotely when needed. And Linux is much easier to deal with than Windows.

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        My mom is not technical in the slightest and she’s been very happily using a laptop with Fedora Silverblue on it for 4+ years. I’ve had to help her with two problems, one of which didn’t even end up being a Linux problem.

        • @psud@aussie.zone
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          But she already has a perfectly good machine, is just super slow on the newest version of windows

      • @njordomir@lemmy.world
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        I think this is mostly because people who know about it have a mental block that it’s only for nerds. Millions have been using Android on their phones for years, though we’ll limit ourselves to desktop GNU/Linux type distributions for this discussion.

        Actual usage of Linux has gotten much easier since 2006ish when I first tried it out. With all the popups and ads in Windows nowadays, its rapidly becoming harder to use than Linux, something I did not expect. I don’t see a combined Linux User Group/ Bingo Club/ Bridge Group forming anytime soon, but Linux Mint isn’t any harder to use than Windows, even for normies with an average level of tech skills.

  • @rolo@infosec.pub
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    ok gnome sucks a lot gnome doesn‘t prodoce errors - it is an error, a very ugly error. i‘m not a fanboy, i use sytems thts works -bsd,macos,debian,alpin but i hate gnome. I destroy every computer with a Gnome interface that I get my hands on in no time. But that’s what I like about Gnome - destroy everything and go away.