You can’t really spam massive essays while ignoring most of what was said or pretending it’s not true. When referring to GNOME Devs losing their mind I was talking about the design decisions of nu-Gnome, and you just went off talking about something being rushed?

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Yeah great example to follow /s

Honestly I’m happy to give Wayland a chance when it starts working with software like Guake, but as it stands, it does not, based on currently stable versions of both from the Debian repos. Until then, it’s just a useless protocol made with extremely anal design of requiring apps to be heavily modified to support it for uhmmm no reason as the issues with xorg are minimal really.

since 2015

Why did it ever not work?

Oh it’s because the protocol forbids apps accessing the output of other apps without special support for it, so unless apps manually include support for Wayland, it will not work.

With many apps that don’t even do anything related to screenshotting or overlays - like Guake - it still does not work.

So most of my usual workflow is just broken by Wayland, productivity utterly shattered by some middleware crap and for what? Why?

Why? Why must the graphical protocol of all things break random software incl. accessibility, overlays etc.? No other OS has ever had this issue. No other OS finds it a security concern to allow apps to see other apps.

The only reason Wayland does is because it’s just terribly designed from its very conception despite the constant warnings from other Devs and users.

Oh and then there’s the Nvidia driver support…

Look at what they did with PulseAudio - now that’s the right way to do it, users don’t even know the difference except suddenly everything just works a bit better.

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Ye I know that, this isn’t the own you think it is as the GNOME Devs lost their mind long ago in many other ways as well.

I didn’t even point out accessibility? That was a different user. You can’t even read bro talk about imagining and then spitting garbled nonsense. Go back and read everything and then I might reply seriously.

I’ve not seen Wayland ever outside of this subreddit 🤣

I’m sure distro of the month somewhere prolly implemented it but us Debian chads stay winning.

I swear this is a psyop to kill of desktop Linux. Come back when screenshotting works correctly 👌

Why even make Wayland in the first place? Why make a protocol that is worse in every way than it’s predecessor?

Yeah. Wayland is a nightmare of accessibility and as someone privileged to be able-bodied it can be tragically easy to forget.

Hopefully this Wayland fad goes away and we have a better protocol designed from scratch soon.

I will daily drive Wayland when it becomes Xorg function equivalent e.g. functional screen capture and overlays like every other OS (so never)

Idk there’s the dunk tank but apart from that CPT…

EDIT: yeah I was wrong I see what y’all mean…

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GPT-ass post. If it doesn’t have apt I don’t have time for it.

I’m referring to the actual clipboard on your PC, yes.

Don’t get me wrong ofc X is not without issues at all, but Wayland is like chopping off your arm at the elbow because you messed up some nail polish, and you arguing for it is like saying that now since you don’t have that arm anymore no one can break it, while all the other OSes watch on in horror and embarrassment as they allow all access to screen elements to any random app like god intended.

If you got malware installed it’s all over anyway. Why bother with weird screen access when you can just ransom the home partition and all personal files instead?

Without OBS, Discord, Steam, Guake, proper screenshot tools, etc. it’s not really a functional OS anymore for general use and that’s what you get with Wayland.

If Wayland fixes all the issues with it I’d happily switch, but it likely won’t since they are fundamental to it’s design and if so then the only way it will secure Linux desktops is by making no one ever use one again.

I’m a cybersec MSc and the security model you’re describing is that of the clipboard.

Apps interacting with each other is also how just about anything works on a computer since multi tasking OSes.

Flatpaks and Snaps are also DOA along with Wayland lol.

Sudo docker will do the trick. Docker does some networking shit so it needs admin privileges

Don’t give up, don’t listen to goober 🤓 itt telling you to read manpages that shit is worthless.

Really? Like not letting apps draw over other apps? As far as I know Windows still allows that, so does even Mac OS. I don’t know who in the industry decided that screenshotting is a bad behaviour and needs to be removed but maybe they should find a new industry, like fast food line work for example.

What the other person said. I didn’t even think magic sysrq keys I was thinking like some steam like overlay lmao

And it hasn’t done that because no one is going to replace it a good but old pipe with a few issues with a pipe with a massive hole in it “by design”

So the middleware stays the same but the underlying server changes? That’s an amazing strategy I wish Wayland did this instead of breaking damn near everything with it’s strange restrictions on behavior and overlays

No mention of Debian as the main and default option? Come on now. Debian with Gnome or even Ubuntu with Gnome are just as good as Mint.

Even more non-news than the TPM thing

Double click to open files/folders Single click to highlight file/folders Hover to focus on window

Perfection